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  所获得的哀荣以及子孙们世代所享皇家的恩宠,直至明灭才止的事实,暗示他不同意徐死

  于朱元璋那只鹅的传说,甚至也不同意朱有计划地诛杀开国功臣的意见。你书中的观点恰

  与温的意见和质疑相反。一般而言,&1dquo;知人论世”,当谨慎从之。你于此一点常常是,结论

  所留余地不多。

  请谈谈,处理重大史实,你所尊崇的原则是什么?

  李:我记不清楚计算严嵩年龄时的情形了,大体上是按照我老家计算人

  虚岁的方法,可能是把他在娘肚子里的十个月也算进去了,又加上了差额的月份。还有一

  个可能是:根本就算错了。

  我孤陋寡闻,不敢苟同姜德成先生对徐阶的说法,譬如&1dquo;厌吴中之俗”

  云云。既然&1dquo;厌吴中之俗”,退休后干嘛不到严嵩的老家——那&1dquo;风俗淳朴之地”去住,而

  是在吴中老家一住就是十年以上,直到八十多岁高龄去世?说徐阶什么都行,只是把他说

  成是一位将追求&1dquo;风俗纯朴”当成&1dquo;一生夙愿”的政坛老将、严嵩&1dquo;小妾”之一,我不太

  敢相信。

  至于朱元璋杀功臣的事儿,不谈也罢。因为这方面的史料实在太多。有

  一百个人,就有一百个哈姆雷特。在一个&1dquo;爱谁谁”的时代里,对同样的资料做出完全不

  同的解读,应该是很正常的事情。不同意朱元璋是&1dquo;有计划”地谋杀也没有关系;那就说

  那帮家伙是&1dquo;无计划”地被杀的好了;如果连那十数万人被杀也不同意,那也就不需要再

  说什么了。

  我多次说过,我没有受过专业的史学训练,也不是为跻身专业文化人圈

  里而写作。这使我时常暗自庆幸。专业人士对一件事情怎么看,包括对我的写作怎么看,

  我基本不太在意。原因很简单,就像在《大明王朝纪事》&1dquo;尾声”中那位裁缝荆元所说:仅

  仅因为&1dquo;文化圈中人另有一番见识”。我只在意那些非专业人士的普通读者的看法,只在意

  写的是不是真话和这真话是不是有根据,只在意我所说的是不是符合人性、人生常识和良

  知。仅此而已。

  不知道这算不算&1dquo;处理重大史实时所尊崇的原则”?

  刘:我没把你看作明史专家,但我十分欣赏你解史的角度。我有一个题

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